Because I know he’s unlikely to blow his own horn, I want to let you know that one of our own, Archdruid Emeritus Adam Robersmith, has published an article in UU World, the Unitarian Universalist magazine. (Sorry, Adam, I don’t know how to spell your screen name!) It’s a lovely, thought-provoking piece that you can read here:
Enjoy!
Thank you so much @fisherkm! I was very honored to be asked to write a piece of ecotheology for a book (“Love at the Center”)…and then to be asked permission to reprint it in the magazine!
I love how it turned out…and it couldn’t be more at the intersection of my Druid and UU life. Thank you so much for posting it here…and you’re right, I don’t tend to self-promote. 
Thank you for sharing that Karen and thank you for writing it Adam. It was a beautiful read. I may not be a religious person, but I am a spiritual one and I can relate to all you said in some way. I have often thought people use the word “love” too flippantly without thought to what it means. I think I’ll start sharing this link with others too.
I’m so glad it was meaningful for you! You’re welcome to share it, of course, and I’m delighted to have it go further out into the world! 
Well said Heather. I do find today numerous people say love too freely without being sincere, in more so lust if not seeking to take advantage of for personal gain to be precise. Especially the mentality, "I love you, therefore I must have sex with you, or you must have sex with me). More so impulsive drive other than something real and meaningful. Love an intimacy do exists in nature, yet I don’t see animals just running around and hopping on anything and everything as they’re selective in nature through self-evidence. Even in ancient texts speak about true meaning of love comes from heart and mind. Yet I do find today a given population cherry-pick. I do encounter those who do know the meaning and share to me what they see what’s going on in this world. Yet I do love my cats and they’re like my furry pointy-ears kids to me. I love my brothers who I served with over the campfire and cold beverage kind of thing. One can have love for all to a certain degree and with boundaries that is.
I agree with you. We can all have a love of all things and people but to varying degrees. Still, it’s those who use “love” and the word to manipulate people into doing things they shouldn’t just because someone said they loved them, like sex as you said. Then some don’t know what love is and keep saying they love someone while doing all they can to destroy those people. I think they have confused love with hate because they say there’s a fine line between the two. Still, I wish people would think about love and what it means. I may not be a Christian in the sense that most people think of, but what the Bible says about love is spot on in my book: “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preserves.” I Corinthians 13:4 - 7
Well said. I do find Christianity being followers of culture and path other than pagan path consist of the ancient ways. It would occur to me that the sun-toned Nord with split beard was still a pagan. Taking account that Sun Gods and Goddesses existed prior to this one along with megalithic temples and deep rituals. The connection. Followers were going by with what they see often returning. Yet, such path set way for colonial, barn-house and orderly society despite the current fanbase today. Still taking account despite monotheism beliefs of most Christian followers, the Bible did in fact mentioned various otherworldly Beings. I see Angels and Demons as Celestial Beings and those once living risen among the ranks next to them to act as Constables in the universe. They likely don’t see themselves the same perspective as humans/humanoids perceive them. Back to the topic, I do wholeheartedly agree with you in your views about love. I tend to have natural ability to repel to who approach me with such false intent. It reeks like hot garbage during peak summer on my end. And my quote about love is that if you have to manipulate and/or force it, then likely it was never true to begin with.
Love is natural, but doesn’t mean it doesn’t take work. After all, the greatest rewards are said to occur once you learn to love your enemy. After all, it is easy to love those that love you back. True love in the truest sense, not the romanticized version has led to many people equating sex, infatuation, and lust with love, but true love most often doesn’t come easy or naturally. Romantic love is even more difficult sometimes. I mean we trust our lovers more than anyone because we feel if you love someone you will never hurt them. At the very least, we feel we shouldn’t because of what love is supposed to be. Truth be told, we are human and we are fallible and we will always let someone down and someone will always let us down. We have to learn to accept those flaws in each other and adjust our attitudes towards love too. It’s work. I struggle daily to love those who hate me. I struggle to love those who would see me dead rather than spend a moment talking to me. I struggle to love those who would harm me or my friends and family. I still make an effort.
As for the religious aspects you spoke of, the Bible, the Lost Books of the Bible, and The Other Bible speak of even more beings. As a child, I was forced into religion. I asked questions, and nobody liked that. One of the questions I had was if the words used in the Bible were just the interpretation of those who were writing them and that they didn’t quite truly understand what those beings were. More often than not I was told to shut up. I found contradictions in the Bible a lot. I would ask about those too. I was often infuriated by the leadership of the churches. I think one priest was nice to me, but the pastors, ministers, reverends, and even other priests were angered by my questions. I learned to read and answer my questions. lol They may very well have been constables, so to speak, of the universe. I don’t see why they couldn’t have been. One being cannot possibly have the same perception as another towards each other. We are limited to our experience and the understanding and growth that came with it. I may be able to feel someone else’s emotions, but that in no way gives me a COMPLETE understanding of what that feels like to them. It’s hard to explain. Pain is pain, but one person may feel pain differently than someone else. What may feel silly and manageable to one person may be devastating and responded to with suicide. I wish we could all see through each other’s, or even each being’s eyes. Imagine how the world would respond to each other if you felt things exactly the same way when you used empathy. What if we had that deep of understanding of each other?! What an amazing world we could have. Love would be so much easier then.
Sadly, I spot fake people a mile away. I guess that’s why I have limited friends, and the ones I do are mostly lifers. I try to make new friends, but something always keeps me away from them. So, even if I don’t make an effort to keep away from someone, they find themselves away from me lol Maybe those constables are keeping me safe, or maybe I’m just blessed enough that I have three amazing friends I’ve known for decades and don’t feel the need to form those kinds of relationships with others. If it happens, I’m ecstatic. If it doesn’t happen, oh well. I have wonderful people in my life already.
I just want to say that I do try to send love and wishes of the greatest of blessings to everyone I meet, whether online or in person. I have a particular fondness for those of this forum who have helped me over some of the largest hurdles I have had to overcome. Spiritual friends, even if online, come in short supply, so I hold all of those in this forum in the highest regard!
Well said Heather. I do agree with you in what you all have mentioned. When it comes to the Bible, I do find it is a series collection of stories and events occurred in ancient history long before calendar and records which contribute to growth in self and society and for survival. Of course interpretation and practices varies from religion and churches. One thing is to separate the ones making effort for the better versus the ones using it as a tool to push for an ill agenda, if not turning it into a casino or a clubhouse. I do find those turn spirituality and religion as a bandwagon are missing the point. Same with those running on high emotions and impulses without using their brain. After all, texts does speak about taking accountability for oneself on path to growth. I yet to find anything that supported the bandwagon viewpoint. Even in religion such a s Buddhism and other Eastern religion speak about self-awareness and self-growth. The discipline and zen mindset is beautiful. On top of it, how number of religions focus on balance and harmony with nature speak volume and not gouging, taking advantage of and abusing on everything in their surroundings. I do come across those who do have a good grasp on what the message is getting out without me ever to go into explanation as they’ve taken the words right out of my mouth. My empathy is why I am what I am as some tend to say I’m etiquette, regimental and austerity. After all, most do have not been where I’ve been, nor experienced what I have experienced, vice versa. One thing I can be sure, I earned my way every step without waiting for handouts, nor use power and control for personal gain. I’m not thinking short stop, like a long journey as a Captain set sail with willing and able crew. One can’t expect a long journey when the Captain has a crew who sleeps all day and night, does half performance work, create problems, makes demands and expect to get promoted when other crew rise and grind through blood, sweat and tears to make things work through devotion and dedication. That there is when one has to come to senses and separate what is and what is not. It is not cruel to separate self from such, it is cruel to allow those who are not on your side and by your side to bring you and the rest down who are striving for the long journey, especially when the ones who gave all, made sacrifices while those who making demands had not contributed on their part only bringing forth downward destructive vibe. Not fond of wheel and deal when it occurs to me that one didn’t put forth the effort and seeking to get in front of the line based on “just because”, when taking account of others who did put forth the effort. without the nonsense. My heart does in fact go out to those who taken on such role to carry the weight and push forward. Selfless service, selfless sacrifice, while striving for better is where my heart goes out to who made such commitment without being told when they already have it in their hearts and mind on doing such above all. How I earned my way as well. Why I like working and operating with those I don’t need to watch over when we’re on a team, tribe, crew, etc. They know how to get sh*t done. Sharp and on point. When it comes to love, I prefer natural approach. Not fond of those doing so for attention and not truly seeking to be on my side and by my side. And fancy words won’t mean a thing if heart and mind wasn’t sincere to begin with, especially if I’m not feeling it. All love and respect for those who are forthright and forthcoming from heart and mind (Those that set the standards). I didn’t get where I’m at by playing around. I’m the very beginning to the very end type is why I have my reasons.
See, what you said right above, nearly the entire response is why I stay away from churches. I stay away from organized religions for the most part. I’m not saying there aren’t good churches out there and that there aren’t good people out there, but churches take away people’s ability to think and do for themselves. After all, even Jesus had something to say about religious law:
Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you hinder those who were entering. Luke 11:52
That was quoted from Jesus’s judgment of the actions of the Pharisees and their lawyers regarding their religious laws. Even though they knew Jesus was fulfilling the prophesies, they refused to acknowledge it and even hid it away from those who listened to them, their congregation, their followers. These religious leaders appointed themselves as keepers of God’s law. They were not divinely commissioned and Jesus pointed this out. He said they were saying what they did to keep people bowing down to them, not God. I’m afraid this is what churches have done today. They create religious laws and condemn those who don’t follow their ways and their interpretations of the Bible without regard to being commissioned by God/Jesus for that task. Organizations are manmade entities, not Godly ones. So, I’ll meet others, see their actions, and judge whether or not I want to be a part of their life. I will not go to their churches. I don’t need walls, and I find my support, and my camaraderie within this forum and other spiritual outlets.
As for those who work at all aspects of their lives, I find inspiration there. I don’t have time for those who don’t even try to work at their life. Now, when it comes to jobs and such, there are a few people I know who had jobs that didn’t pay them and they were needed where they were at. I had some as roommates. I helped them do what they needed to do and I felt all the better for it. Still, they worked. Self-awareness comes with work. Sacrificing for the betterment of yourself and society is a job all in itself. Still, I find those people who aren’t on that path, aren’t an any path, and aren’t working towards any goals. When I find them, I try to guide them. No, it isn’t fun watching after those who cannot do for themselves. It isn’t glorious to say you are watching over those who need you do to everything for them. I will say this though, I don’t do it forever and it’s on a case-by-case basis. If I have to do everything and it changes nothing, it wasn’t wasted time, but they were wasting my time and so I move on. I always try to hold onto the belief that all people deserve my time and effort, even if it’s not for very long. Where would I have been if nobody took the time and effort to point me in the right direction?! I know, there are those who aren’t going to find their way, but at least when I lay my head down at night I know I tried and went above and beyond what I needed to ensure their awakening. If they don’t, it’s not on me, but themselves. I don’t tell them what they do, only guilde them and hope that they find their path and change their ways. It’s not my place to judge them, but it is my place to ensure the best for my own growth.
Love for attentions sake is just kissing butt, it’s not actually love. If you seek attention, that is closer to narcissism, not love either. Love is natural, doesn’t mean it comes naturally. It’s natural for people to squat to dedicate, but we use toilets because were “civilized”. It doesn’t matter that it’s causing health problems and that it’s not natural to use a toilet, the natural way isn’t pretty. Of course, those who care are trying to make it closer to natural by using a small step when on the toilet, but natural doesn’t mean we’re actually doing it naturally. It takes work sadly. I let people know. As my husband says, I wear my heart on my sleeve. I don’t hide how I feel. I try to change my negative feelings about people into positive ones and express as much loving kindness and compassion as is humanely possible. That is how I retrain myself to love all, even my worst enemies. The number of enemies I have has dwindled tremendously in my life, and I believe it is because I try to love all people.
Ah, words … that is the crux of it. People will often do or say anything to benefit themselves. Fancy or not, words have power. I’m grateful for all I have been through in my life to see through those honeyed words. I’m grateful I recognize and harmonize. I’m grateful that I can move on from such people and not feel bad for it. I’m also grateful I’m not the only one. One of my worst flaws was trying to analyze it all to death. I wanted to know why and how someone could be the way they were, even to the point of distressing me. Now, I just accept this is why people are the way they are and move on from it. I cannot force change, that has to be the other person. I will say what I think and feel. I will give them advice, solicited or not. I will inform them of my intentions and then go. It’s all you can do. “Love does not dominate, it cultivates.” Goethe
Interesting conversation we’re having here. I didn’t expect this kind of conversation over the last couple of days, but it’s reignited something that I had let grow complacent, so it’s served a larger and greater purpose for me than I’m sure it was intended, so thank you all!
You definitely made a solid point. It would be quite obvious that if these otherworldly Beings did mean harm or for power and control, it wouldn’t be hard for them to occupy here today and seeing what’s going on, especially since 2020 speaks about a given population. It appears these otherworldly Beings once interacted with humanity to given them knowledge and tools with required condition to continue. I say these Beings wanted humanity to also think for themselves and apply Common Sense and reasoning. Yet it appears in the ancient texts something went wrong, terrible things happened and yet we don’t see these otherworldly Beings interacting with humanity today. Especially the UFOs departs when encountering with human aircrafts and disconnecting their signals when Nasa attempts to make contact with unknown signals and so forth. Yet, the Bible did mentioned as you say the toned-Nord speaking about humanity being given an option to strive while another given population chosen to be ruled over instead. If these otherworldly Beings wanted control, it wouldn’t be hard for them today as they would be right on the ground rounding up the bandwagon. It occurs to me that these Beings don’t want to babysit when space travel requires thinking brain and responsibility through individual effort as mentioned in Book of Enoch. That saying, “trading one God for another that offers empty promises over the one who provides with condition to uphold standards and strive responsibly”. Another thing would occur that these otherworldly Beings were not Gods, but came forth to teach the words of enlightenment while bringing forth knowledge and tools. The saying “Holding to what is sacred” would means having conditions and upholding standards upon receiving. It would also occurs that life isn’t a free handout based on “just because”. The ancient texts did also mentioned these otherworldly Beings not only came down to interact and bring forth tools and knowledge, but also chosen a given number of individuals to speak and act on their behalf, the Eagle and Serpent, those known for having stiff arm and leg, regimental and with higher standards. Yet, history showed how a certain given population disliked holding higher standards and acted out on it, which is what we see today of the mindset versus over 50 plus years back in how it declined and changed. The past showing level-headed society and government versus today a sideshow circus act. especially 2020 when a given population need the media to tell them how to wash their hands and wipe their butts while stockpiling toilet paper against an airborne virus. That is when Natural Law applies when the saying goes, “You can only save those who are willing to save themselves” and “I’ll offer a helping hand, but I won’t extend it”. It applies in nature for those who paid attention. Yet, the wolves don’t allow the weakest nor not the wisest to lead the pack for a reason. I see today many want space travel while at the same time don’t want the responsibility and seek to be ruled over. I don’t see a Captain of a ship going on a journey being successful when having a crew who doesn’t want to own up to their responsibility and do their part without requiring to be watched over. Even in the military, to become a Paratrooper, pilot, submarine crew, Special Operations requires having and upholding higher standards and responsibility to make things work, not just someone with just a pulse. I don’t see any in their right mind wants to go down on a ship over someone with 1 star Walmart work ethics who couldn’t and wouldn’t, sincerely. In otherwords to receive from these otherworldly Beings is to having something to stand on. To include, I am quite confidence that these otherworldly Beings appears humanoid, yet not human as they’re likely come in different forms of color from gray, green, blue, fluorescent, multi-color patterns, etc. How can one expect UFOs to interact when they see humanity today don’t get along with one another and fighting senseless acts in childish behavior. The same sense why one in their right mind wouldn’t give an idiot the power to have a powerful technology on hand only to see chaos over, “Hold my beer and watch me try this!”. I do agree that growth requires self-awareness. Those who are self-aware and growing have little to no desire for power, control, seeking to be ruled over. It’s typically the ones who know little about themselves tend to have every need for power and control if not seeking to be ruled over. I myself didn’t expect this conversation to extend. Yet, I observed a lot during many of my travels and find the proper time and moment to share. Much appreciation with this conversation with you Heather.
Thank you, Clark.
I often thought about alien life, even as a child. I wondered if these beings were like us, insects, or other forms of life that already existed on this planet. I also changed that when I got older to ask myself why they would need any form. I mean, energy exists, even if we don’t see it. We are all made of energy in one form or another. So, couldn’t aliens just be energy without a body? Then came the “other” questions. Would these aliens be friendly or would they be our worst enemy? Since you already know they’re more advanced in technology (they made it here where we haven’t made it out of our solar system yet), would that make them better entities than we are, or would that make them worse? Would they be willing to work with humanity? Would they be our salvation or downfall? I had millions of questions … still do when I think about it. At the end of the day, I realized that none of that even mattered. Yes, I still have questions, but I don’t worry or stress out about it.
I can say that when you spoke about the hierarchical nature of humanity. How they want someone to lead them, to captain them, to control them. Indeed, we don’t function well without someone to lead and most people would need a great support team to be successful. When I had management training, one of the things they taught us was how to not look at ourselves as “masters” but as part of a team. You cannot be friends with everyone you are in charge of, but you can work with people instead of lording over them. The most successful enterprises are those whose teams all revere and work with leadership, rather than feel like they’re being controlled. Once you take away that feeling that someone is in control, you end up with rebels who fight you the entire time. I have been in both leadership types of situations and I have been on both sides when dealing with leadership. It made a lot of sense. For humanity to travel in space, you need a great team of people. You need people who can think on their feet and work without leadership if necessary. There are too many unknown factors in space and it’s entirely possible something could happen to your captain. Then you would need to step in and take charge, or the entire group would need to operate efficiently without the captain being present. TV always presents a great crew that would do anything necessary, but most shows also have someone in the crew who is the weakest link. Some even betray their own. It’s human nature and that’s how it ends up on the TV. I think real life would be even worse lol
Aliens definitely wouldn’t want to get involved with a species that is always at war. Look at the baby nation, ourselves here in America. Since our inception, we’ve had the War of Independence, Indian Wars, War of 1812, Mexican-American War, Civil War, Spanish-American War, and World Wars I & II. This doesn’t even include the “War on Terror” and the neverending bloodshed in the Middle East and the U.S.A.'s tendency to fund and weaponize both sides of the conflicts. It also doesn’t mention about how we tend to train and weaponize the terrorist organizations either. We are a nation that has been constantly at war, either officially as a declaration, or unofficially as a battle cry or money-making opportunity (power too). It doesn’t mention all the wars in the East, like the Korean and Vietnam Wars. The list seems endless. We’re far from the worst either, so that is saying something about humanity.
If I were an alien, I’d be afraid that humanity would respond by attacking us and wanting to commandeer our spaceship, not work with us. I’d be afraid they would want to capture and either torture or study us in a lab somewhere. I would stay as far away from here as possible until the bulk of humanity found their way. Yes, gathering information is always good. Study us from a distance. Keep track of us and our progress. Someday we’ll be ready and that might be a wonderful thing. I think it will be some time before humanity can work through this war nonsense.
Once humanity has evolved spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and even physically, then perhaps they won’t feel this same need for someone to control their lives. Maybe they will think and act for themselves and be ready and able to support each other in their endeavors to better society. Maybe one day we’ll be ready for the big table instead of remaining at the kiddie table. There are times when I feel it’s hopeless, but then there are times when I feel assured we will find our way. I’d rather remain positive. It’s just certain things in life tend to frustrate us all, and that’s when I struggle to see that humanity can and will change. Maybe this is the truest test of love of all people … seeing the possibilities when so many fail to show you that they even care. I don’t like positions of power and leadership. I avoid it, but I also don’t like someone being in charge of me unless I don’t know what I’m doing and need guidance. I try to help those who need guidance. Turn about is fair play. Just keep trying and loving. It’s all we can do 
I’ve always had trouble with romantic relationships. I’m unfortunately very codependent and rely on my ability [or often, inability] to keep people happy and solve all their problems for them to cause my own happiness.
Over the years, however, I’ve found myself a partner who’s helped me with that codependence and loves me for who I am, not who I pretend to be. It’s a lovely feeling, to love and be loved wholly, even if it’s not perfect love.
Love your post Heather as you made really excellent solid point. I would say these Beings are like us and also not like us being of both humanoid and nonhumanoid with both intelligence and instincts. I honestly don’t see them having similar mentality as humans below, especially when ancient texts describing them having strong minds in how they function when taking Book of Enoch into account in how the “Angels” function without being watched over and managed as each carry out their tasks accordingly. It makes perfect sense when considering space travel and connecting the qualifications of being a pilot, crew, engineer on either aircraft, submarine and ship. I also take account how Nordic mythology aligns with Book of Solomon mentioning Beings of both physical, nonphysical and both realms. Would they get along with humans? I say yes as the ancient texts mentioning such. I also take account that these Beings are on different mentality and they have little room for nonsense and likely see humans as stock, not slaves or anything else as I take account what Darwinism book have mentioned about Otherworldly Beings. I say what makes them better entities would be the fact they have existed far longer than humanity has and have an establishment on their end which is why the Bible mentioned Beings existing on Earth for millennia before departing to let society run it course. I don’t doubt these Beings are willing to work with humans again. Yet, it depends on humanity itself in seeing what’s going on. If they were our downfall, I wouldn’t doubt it wouldn’t take them much effort in doing so and likely it would have been done long time ago and we wouldn’t be having this conversation today. I say humanity would be their own downfall despite there is both good and evil exists in this universe. Of course there are given population needs leadership and management, yet, I can’t say the same on the other side that is what they’re looking for. If these Beings wanted to enslavement, they would be here on the spot with a bandwagon and rounding up people to go on board the ship. I still take account that Beings is space would have a different set of mentality from humans, especially those already experienced in space travel. I don’t think any Beings with long time experienced and established system that’s been going on longer than human civilization would just drop their standards for some spontaneous idea with no proven results. The same sense a private in bootcamp trying to tell the Drill Instructor how to run his job. The Drill Instructor is already in the military with deployments, stars and stripes while the recruit on the otherhand, not quite in with no experience in the military and the battlefield. The Drill Instructor already knows what goes on while the recruit is running on nonsense. That part. Common Sense would also tell me that who in the right mind wants to go on a long journey in a ship with a crew who doesn’t want to do their part in keeping the ship going, only to create problems and putting the trip to a halt? I don’t see the military here just recruiting anyone with just a pulse as they do filter, unless it’s a draft. If so, then all are free to hop on. One thing that tells me from my prior service that being in service requires responsibility. And to be in either Airborne, Rangers, Special Operations, submarine, pilot and flight crew requires higher responsibility, risks and so forth. Why these departments are selective with rigid entrance to ensure the quality they have to uphold such standards in being functional and taking on higher and riskier operations as proven. Being a Paratrooper, I surely didn’t want some idiot doing something stupid prior jumping out f the aircraft that would results in unnecessary casualties because he rather goof off than paying attention and be focused on the mission. That is how I would perceive these Beings approach, especially being experienced space travelers. That one who goofs off who be deemed as ‘Blue Falcon’ and that is something I say that these Beings are looking at before bringing anyone on board. I say they are looking at whether they can work with yo or not and whether you are trustworthy enough on their end first. Likely why ancient texts mentioned these Beings once were on ground as today they’re keeping their distance. I do agree that there are many unknown factors in space which is my reasoning why it would requires functioning brains and being headstrong to act immediately to emergencies and immediate danger without being told or waiting to be told what to do. Fast-action and critical thinking, not sloth-minded. Makes me think of how military functioned during WWI and WWII would tells me that how things operate in space and especially in the battlefield. I would say if these Beings ever get into a battlefield, it wouldn’t be a fraternity camp out and looking for a pillow fight unlike what I see here. I say base fight is how these Beings handle themselves on the battlefield. And those experienced in space travel and being in the dark, grit type of battlefield wouldn’t want someone whose mind isn’t right and not thinking on their feet to fight on their side, especially to the one with well-known reputation in the field and on battlefield. They have every justification to be selective for a reason and I won’t argue. In the end, it’s whether one grasp onto what is really going on versus the one who is still clueless after what is self-evident is presented. That matters. especially if someone like myself engaging in a task that is high risk and high responsibility, I wouldn’t want someone around me who needs to be babysit, creating extra and unwanted work on my hands and hindering the mission if not the journey itself, sincerely from heart and mind. And when it comes to space travel, it would occur to me each Beings involved in space travel from different parts of the galaxy varies in technology ranges from advanced to highly advanced and ultra advance technology. That said, I would say these Beings would be selective in who they offer their resources and technology too with clear conditions upon receiving. I still also take account that USA Forefathers mention logic, Common Sense and reasoning matters, especially if they happen to be space travelers recruited by these Beings from Earth. I do see society today seek space travel, I would also support such, yet society needs to get mind right and start owning up to responsibility than being idle and expecting the universe caters to them on the idea that they exist. After all, I do find it ironic those crying out saying, “My life matters” while gouging, destroying and abusing everything around them without a single conscience and expecting the world owes them for everything just for doing just one thing. Yet, I see people here are quick to act on impulses and stupidity and nonsense which why I avoid them. Besides some approach me carrying insecurity over their shoulders looking for someone to blame or fight besides fixing their own mess they’ve created themselves. Yet, society spends way too much time in trying to get over if not take advantage of another and it would appear to me not appealing to advance Beings who likely focus their time and effort on real issues. I don’t think Beings who experienced space travel and engaged in dark, grit and high heat battles concern themselves for someone of such liability. taken account of their crew they’re already with and what is at stake, not placing someone who seeking joy rides to be a hinder to what they’ve placed devotion and dedication to through blood, sweat and tears. And speaking about being afraid of abduction, I would say whether you or any believe me or not that I was an abductee twice. The first was hostile and the second abduction was the one who rescued me. They did not look anything like the grays. Yet, I am the only one with changing and blurry images of myself in group photos going back 20+ years. Even when I was at preschool, the only child in the entire group photo with otherworldly blurry eyes image and legs crossed and claw hands. The Nordic mythology did mentioned Ice Giants for a reason. If these Beings do go hard out in space, I can be assure they’re not seeking someone who likely be spooked seeing their own shadow. Maybe these Beings aren’t looking for a minute fighter, part-time half-job crew with mentality, “Here, this is all I can do”. I say the Captain decides who comes in board base on their function and operations, not some joy ride attention-seeking club. Tribe, militia that is headstrong, not for anything childish and nonsense. Thinking space travel and lightyears, not trip to corner store and back for a selfie. After all, these space travelers have experience in what they have been dealing with out there. That saying, “I know a thing or two because I have seen a thing or two”. And being hard driven would be clear on what they may have experienced in space travel. Dark, grit and high heat. Any who fuss about not getting on board is clear why they’re not accepted. Maybe space travel is not for the faint-hearted. I don’t see a hard-driven Captain bringing in a crew that will run like a chicken coup when its time to battle if not taking on a task or operation. If any Otherworldy visit today I would say it would be like a military Officer conducting barracks inspection to see what is and what is not. Taking account of past visits and message being delivered. Spot on. It’s not like they don’t take account what is going on.
Sorry, it took a couple of days to get back on here. We’ve had a bit going on over here lol
Thank you and I didn’t want to write a book, but I believe there are so many different types of beings that we’ve not even begun to see the universe. I don’t even think there are ways we can imagine the kind of beings that exist out there. I always loved Star Trek, Farscape, Firefly, Star Wars, Stargate, and other science fiction relating to interstellar and universal travel for their creativity in creating various alien beings. I think some might even have been from Earth and were taken somewhere else. Maybe some people here on Earth started somewhere else and were brought here. I even briefly subscribed to the notion that we are one giant penal colony left here millennia ago by various alien races getting rid of the worst they had on their planets. I’ve had many ideas.
Another thing I considered was how old different alien races are. It is presumed that if an alien could make it here, they existed long before we did. I don’t think that is necessarily the case. What happens if an advanced alien species decides to interfere in a planet’s scientific advancement and give them the tools and knowledge we didn’t have to get where they are? Perhaps their physiology is so different that they don’t think or act like we do, which makes them perfect candidates for these advancements.
I love reading the ancient texts myself. I used to make a lot of assumptions because of those writings, as well as cave drawings and so much more. One thing I have discovered over the last decade is that things can be so very different than our own perception. What was written here is by someone’s perception of events and writing in a way that humanity can understand. It doesn’t necessarily make it true in the honest sense, just in the only sense and perception they had in those days. They might not have understood the truth. Heck, today we might not understand the truth and perhaps alien species know this.
As for whether or not they would conquer us, want this planet, or otherwise … makes very little difference. Perhaps those who would want to enslave us haven’t made it here yet. Perhaps those who would want to have Earth for themselves haven’t made it here yet either. We don’t know which aliens have been here and which haven’t, though there is lots of evidence of certain aliens that already exist, plus reports, such as yourself, of those who were abducted. I was never abducted, but I believe I have been visited more than once, especially when I was a child. Those stories are for another day though.
I think if any aliens had visited Earth and thought us worthy of working with us, they wouldn’t be such a secret and we’d see the evidence of their advanced technologies by now. I believe most would be cautious, if nothing else because they know they have abducted others, why wouldn’t humans do the same if given the opportunity? I would love to go away with aliens, but I wouldn’t have anything to contribute that would be advanced and so I think it would never happen. Besides, I have a different belief than most when it comes to an afterlife, and so I’m not worried about leaving now as I believe I’ll see the ALL once I’m no longer tethered to this body. I know I’ve already had certain experiences when I died and during illness, as well as meditation. I’m confident in my beliefs because of my experience.
I agree with you that anyone who has visited wouldn’t just act hastily without an idea of what the outcome would be. I wouldn’t necessarily think that we were beneath them in any way, just different. After all, I have friends who are doctors and nurses, but they would still go and enjoy watching some of my other friends who are musicians play in their bands on the weekends. Every being has something to offer, whether they do or not. A person is who scientifically minded and has tons of knowledge regarding advanced technology for our people isn’t any better or worth more than a street performer who brings joy and light into others’ lives. This is why I’ve always held the belief that if an alien species had shown their face here, I wouldn’t automatically assume that just because they’re more technologically advanced than us wouldn’t make them better than us.
A crew would have to each be able to work independently for sure, but they would also have to know how to work together. A crew that cannot work with each other is as no good as a crew that doesn’t know how to do their own jobs without oversight. I believe the fact that these crews would exist would mean they were selected for their service. They are known to be able to do their jobs independently, but also be able to work together as one unit. I would also believe they were selected because they would be less likely to cause a mutiny or become insubordinate. I can also surmise that they would have some kind of hierarchical arrangement, like we do. The military may have stringent entrance requirements for Special Forces, but they also make sure that the soldiers can take orders and follow them. They wouldn’t want to give so much power to people they think would overthrow the military or government hierarchy. They do have more responsibility. They do jobs that others cannot do. They often must do jobs that civilians would consider to be evil too. I don’t envy their job for sure. Aliens visiting here wouldn’t have the same trust of our people as we do and vice versa. It would take time to build that trust. After all, look at each of us and how little we seem to trust our own, let alone someone who is made differently than we are, thinks differently than we do, and acts accordingly. I don’t think relations with aliens would be easy for most of this world, but I could be underestimating the trustworthiness of humanity.
I also think that those entering into high-risk and high-responsibility type roles were all babysat at some point. They would have to be trained for what they are doing. Whether it’s the human way and learning with books, teachers, and shadowing others who already know the job, or perhaps with some kind of piece of alien technology that allows people to learn through that tech, someone still oversees that training. I see people and aliens with potential. They have the POTENTIAL for this or that. It’s POSSIBLE they might be able to do this or that. I also couldn’t assume that because someone flies a craft they aren’t idiots in other ways. It reminds of me Firefly. If you have ever seen that show, Jane was great in combat, but completely untrustworthy and usually an idiot.
At the end of the day, aliens could be like the Borg, the Cardassians, the Dominion, the Gorn, and Species 8472, or they could be like the Douwd, the Organians, the Halkans, the Mizarians, the Ba’ku, and even the Risans. We will not know until we encounter them. Having advanced technologies doesn’t guarantee enlightenment. For all of our advancements in technology, we (as a species of humans) sure don’t care what we do to this planet or each other. Improvement in technology hasn’t improved humanity overall. Maybe one day it will. I see a lot of good in humanity, but I see just as much that is bad. We keep making the same mistakes despite our technological advancement. I believe other alien species could be the same. I know some might be the opposite. They could and probably will be as different as we are from each other.
As for the mess some people create, if they can fix it, I’ll let them fix it themselves. That is the best way to learn. If they cannot do it themselves, I will try to help, if nothing else but for the life of all those around them. If it doesn’t work, then I move on. It’s hard to see people fall when you know they have the potential to do so much better. As bad as it is here, I can imagine it’s just as bad, maybe even worse for other alien species on their planets. I’m reminded of various shows where aliens on their own planets fought with themselves so much that they literally were destroying their own planet. SG1 had that happen plenty of times and I believe that to be entirely possible. At any rate, we are not alone. I wish running into aliens was a normal thing and not something to be feared or even looked forward to. It’s just wishful thinking though. If we had anything aliens really wanted, we would be there already.
The fact that aliens could see our warmongering and our advancement in technology over the last century might be the very reason they would want to interfere. Maybe they would perceive us as a growing threat. If you saw humanity and its advancements in such a short period, perhaps know about all those projects that the general public knows nothing about, maybe you’d worry too and want to interfere or even prevent a warring species from being able to advance to the point where they would want to take over alien worlds. After all, we cannot even stop people from warring here to take over land that belonged to other people in the name of “progress”. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for an alien species to keep close tabs on humanity and do whatever it takes to keep us from being able to get that far, at least until we’re able to deal with our need for greed and power. The Middle East is one perfect example of a neverending war. Perhaps that is why one alien was hostile towards you and another was sympathetic and saved you. One saw how evil humanity was and saw them as a potential future threat while another saw the potential. It’s like the two-party system here … got people on both sides. Aliens, I would think, might have similar thoughts, feelings, and experiences that pattern their behavior towards other alien species.
My near-death experience gave me a different insight than what I had as a child. My visitations were informative too. I love the fact I have no questions about what happens when I die and where I’ll be when that happens. I believe many people have been abducted. I don’t believe everyone who claims to have been has been, but I also believe some people have been and never said a word, or don’t remember it. I watch all the shows about UAPs and UFOs. I love hearing all people’s perspectives and experiences. I love reading and watching shows about NDEs too. If anyone would believe you had been abducted, it would be me lol
Such a great conversation. I just hope my unfortunately timing didn’t put you off it 
Hi Heather and it’s good to hear back from you again. I’m not bothered by your posts as I like reading myself and understanding. I hope your day is going well. I do go back and read ancient texts for nostalgia. I do say message in these texts do reflect on that time period of when events were taken place. I do say it would be ignorant to take it literally today when in fact languages changed just as dialogue of early 1900’s and 1800’s are different from the dialogue of today. And taking account in ancient times when primitive society encounters a aircraft for the first time, they would not have the definition for it but to call it a large flying bird with lightning, flying burning chariot or flying turtle on a carpet and globe on top of it. Taking account of mythologies and it dialogue. Why I say the ancient text such as the Bible is a collection of stories of recorded major events taken place in trying to map out what occurred and carry on the knowledge for future generations. Many take such book religiously despite numerous of passages I’ve read relates to some stories such as Poetic Edda and so forth. Even in these ancient texts mentioned Beings living for over millennias before their departure from earth upon such lengthy visit. To me, it would occur to me when Beings from above visited Earth to bring knowledge and tools, would require certain conditions met as it would occur to me these Beings also brought forth Culture/Spirituality in the process. We can learn from documentaries and books of ancient past of how ancient people drew figures of humanoids and display such relationships they’ve had with them out of love and devotion. It would appear to me that these ancient tribes and communities with the best relationship with these Beings were the ones disappeared without a single hostile trace as if they have gone to live among these Beings who brought them in.
There are reasons I can find why aliens who once visited earth in the past aren’t doing so today despite witnesses and abduction claims. Maybe they had those chosen set forth on Earth that were cast out. Maybe these Beings have different set of mentality on being specific with reasoning on whom they chosen to act on their behalf and no other in their place. So when they return and not seeing the results, it would be a clear clue of what have happened, and these chosen individuals returned with mouthful of words to say on their own. List of Reports. Making a list of reports and checking it twice. That part.
I would say these Beings would select those whom they see as worthy to bring forth onto their end to accord. The same sense as one who keeps their home nice and tidy wouldn’t want to invite guests who are messy, foul and inconsiderate. I wouldn’t say having advance technology means enlightenment when Culture and Spirituality may apply to them over material things. I would say they may live far more civil despite hostile conflicts such as wars may still occur. I say if these Beings were to bring forth anyone, it wouldn’t be neither a joy ride, a tour trip, nor a vacation bidding. I say these Beings would see who would likely to fit in with them than just fancy words with nothing to stand on. Taking account of space travel isn’t a trip around the corner store and back. I say being onboard is like being accepted as a crew.
When working together as a crew, I also think functionality. I don’t see a submarine crew just bringing anyone on who has no headstrong function to act when emergency occur along with being part of the team. I also think of the film, Full Metal Jacket of that one these Beings would not accept, Lawrence type and Burke from Aliens. especially if these Beings do engage in battle and are already far experienced, I say these Beings would be clear of who they want and who they do not want. There are two types of men going into the battlefield: One that requires a pep rally versus the one who needs just the information to get the job done. That sense of getting those who have the right heart and mind set forth in getting things done without the requirement of being looked over and watched over. When things go wrong in space, there is no triple A services, no first responders to act in half an hour or so, it’s the entire crew and what is on hand and deck with little to no room for errors. It’s about being sharp and on point, mainly the Captain of the ship it will applies to. Taking account that space travel is like being in Special Operations where there are high risks and dangers involved which would be self-evident that being ignorant and idle is a choice when knowledge and tools are easily accessible with no excuses of being in such state. I also think of military deployments, medical deployments and science exploration have requirements before such travel such as medical, equipment inspection and health screening. I say this would also applies to these Beings when taking one onboard. I say these Beings also mindful of their health and hygiene and they would not want to impact humans of their foreign illness and neither would want one who is infected with something that was easily preventable to impact them as well. It doesn’t say much about one who continues to get infected with an easily preventable disease while trying to board transportation that can easily impact many. Why airports, train stations have health and safety protocols for a reason. I don’t see anyone in their right mind who taken every necessary procedure to be in good health to be impacted by that one who is infected chosen not to. Now imagine that one who is infected gets rejected from boarding on and want to cause chaos over something they failed on their part while showing no consideration of how such preventable disease they’re carrying would impact many onboard who have taken every necessary step from catching such disease. It is not cruel to reject that one for failure on their part, it is cruel to allow that one to have their way to dangerously impact the lives of many who have made every effort not to catch such disease. I say society allowing a given population on spreading diseases so freely and carelessly would definitely be a deal breaker with these Beings from interacting with humanity is one.
Earth being war driven on my end is one thing when taking account that these Beings may also have war-time experiences. I say the difference is here most violence are senseless acts over zip codes, social media posts, and having the need to get over and take advantage of another. I say if these Beings are Warlords, they would see the violence happening here as a joke when their battles are like that of WWI and WWII if not Game of Thrones, Star Trek and Halo kind of warfare. They see people quick to prowl and fight over nonsense, but easily cowards away when it is time to own up, show up to take on real responsibility, duty and for higher cause. Same sense I see some guy posting on social media about hunting a known endangered animal species to boast on how big and bad he is, but quick to coward away like a little b**** when it was time to serve in the military during wartime. That said, I say Beings of advance technology with space travel have far real-time experience and that is something I will be humble to and respect, especially when they make encounters to offer any knowledge and tools traveling from light-years from their part of the galaxy. It does not say much from those who come with needy and grabbing hands, only to cross the line and then later wondering why good things doesn’t come by. That saying, “never bite the hands that feeds/provides, especially when one is receiving or seeking to receive. The end.” And if these Beings are also Warlords, they are also been through blood, sweat and tears through devotion and dedication to see what is and what is not before bringing anyone onboard versus one mindset who shows up only for a paycheck, to join a fraternity club, seeking attention and endless of praises for doing just one thing.
I say these Beings may see wickedness at play than evil. At least evil has higher standards. You are also right Heather that there are still good people exists here. It’s a matter of applying Common Sense and knowing self-worth to separate self from that given population. That saying, “guilty through association”. I don’t see anyone in their right mind who wants to serve sentence for a crime they did not commit and had no part in for to cover someone claimed as a friend who was never there at one side to begin with. I like our perspective on life and death. I would say you have a strong Spirit in you versus those I have encounter who boast much and yet so fearful about what happens to the after death. It would occur to me that these individuals haven’t been living right and doing what is right. Lets not forget the posers who mimics and pretend to be highly Spiritual while seeking to take advantage of others. Anyone can mimic, yet there is something that separates the fake posers who mimics versus the one who actually in Spirituality practice. I do encounter those who are the most fearful invest so much time in doing wrong and taking advantage of others. It doesn’t surprise me that these same individuals hope that there isn’t anything after death where they can die in peace. I myself do not fear death, but one thing I can be sure of is that I am not planning to die in hands of an idiot, especially if I can change it either way. My abduction has made me see things others yet to see and made me feel as if I don’t belong with the same human species where my origins began. I do feel out of place here regardless of what I have accomplished over the years in service. Even the environment I feel estrange at times as expecting to encounter something larger or flying over trying to carrying me away to eat me and so forth. The energy I give off tend to scare others, especially during my times served multiple deployments in Iraq. I lost count how many military personnel I almost given them heart attacks, meaning they actually fell down to the ground holding their chests. Yet, I do get looks from being the only sun-toned Nord around with split beard stiff arm and stiff leg and claw hand(sword hand) with changing appearances and third eye. Besides this I do find the strong the Spirit of one tends to have stronger connection with the environment and nature. Even the Bible and other ancient texts and paganism speaks about taking care of the planet. I also take account is what these Beings do take notes, especially if their home is greener and wildlife flourishes and not the society doing more to save them from extinction while throwing pounds after pounds of meat on a grill for a single meal. I’m a carnivore, yet have discipline enough not to gouge. One can’t expect for space travel when there are no trees. After all, trees are the primary source of energy that absorbs from the sun and the universe. I do love all life. Life has been greatly unfair to the wildlife and conservation today. Even in nature, the wolves do not let the weakest link to lead the pack. And the slowest deer is to be left to the wolves as the others strive for another day. When birds raises their chicks, it’s the one who pays attention, learns and grows that will get to fly, while the other chick who seeks to be fed by it’s parents all the time is fed to what’s below when it’s time to fly and it couldn’t and wouldn’t. I appreciate much of my conversation with you Heather. I’d definitely would give you a warm hug. 